Roundtable: Don't Piss Off the Advice Columnists
Dan Savage is mad as hell. And he's not going to give advice anymore. At least, not to straight people. Or straight people with marriage on their radar.
Ever since the New York Supreme Court denied gay couples the right to marry because straight people need it more (that sounds horribly reductive, but that really is the gist of their argument), Dan has been firing on all cylinders. First, there was his op-ed piece in the New York Times (sorry, you might have to pay to read it, but you can read an excerpt here) where he explained that the courts' ridiculous arguments against same-sex marriage (which I explained and picked apart here) are getting weaker, which is a good sign that they may disintegrate altogether in the near future.
But now his passion and frustration are influencing his day job as a nationally syndicated sex advice columnist. Not that he's been particularly hesitant to include his political views in his column, but now he's giving the total brush-off to those considering marriage or already married.
To a woman who wrote in about her wonderful, studly, well-endowed boyfriend who doesn't want her to use her beloved sex toys once they get married, Dan wrote:
"I just can't be bothered today, BAB [Blushing Anonymous Bride]. You see, state supreme courts in New York and Washington handed down blatantly bigoted rulings against gay marriage in July and I'm kind of pissed at the fact that you get to marry your big-dicked boyfriend but I can't marry mine."
Ouch. And then, to a married man who was given a "free pass" by his wife to indulge his kinks and wants suggestions on how to set up a gay one-night stand, Dan offered this:
"No ideas, MAK [Middle-Aged Kinkster]. No advice, no guidance, no pointers. You know why I got nothin' for you, MAK? Because if we gay guys aren't allowed to be married—to each other—then you married straight guys aren't allowed to be gay. Not even once, not even if you're just going to put it in a little, not even with the wife's permission."
And finally, the same week an 18-year-old girl wrote about being impregnated by her 18-year-old boyfriend, who not only doesn't want to get married (!), he doesn't even want to have sex with her anymore (!!) - which is unsurprising to anyone over the age of 18 - even though he still says he loves her (!!!).
Dan's response?
"Doesn't your boyfriend read the papers, PAD [Pregnant and Deprived]? According to the State of New York's highest court, the institution of marriage exists expressly to entice the likes of him—that is, irresponsible straight boys—into marrying the likes of you—that is, irresponsible straight girls. Since heterosexual relationships are 'often casual or temporary,' and since 'unstable relationships between people of the opposite sex present a greater danger that children will be born into or grow up in unstable homes,' the court found that the state can deny same-sex couples—with kids, without kids, whatever—the right to marry. Marriage is set aside exclusively for folks like you!
And you mean to tell me that your boyfriend doesn't want to marry you? What a fucking ingrate! I'm not sure what you can do about it, PAD, but perhaps those justices in New York can help you out. Maybe one of the justices can hold the shotgun while another officiates?"
Now, I loves me some advice columnists. I read Dear Prudence at Slate, Since You Asked over at Salon and try to keep up with the Chicago Tribune's not one but two daily columnists. Obviously their personal views are going to influence their responses, whether they're consciously aware of it or not (although they really should be self-aware enough to know it).And I think Dan had a point. I mean, how much do help do straight people need with marriage? Aren't there like three dozen wedding/relationship magazines, four hundred books, the previous generation's hard-earned wisdom to turn to and, you know, the state and federal governments to help out?
But seriously, did he go too far? With one of the most widely-read columns in the country, plus editing Seattle's alternative The Stranger and the author of books such as The Kid and The Commitment, Dan is very influential to both straights and gays. This week he admits to getting flack from readers who want him to do his job - give advice. So he's back helping out with kinky fetishes and STD prevention. He made his point but now he's back doing what he does best.
What would happen if all the advice columnists turned on their readers? Or went on strike? Where would all the confused, directionless advice seekers turn to? How would we best know how to sign a "thank you" letter? Who would set boundaries for how to properly walk your dog? Who would start a movement to spread santorum without an advice columnist to help us? There'd be riots on the streets, I tell you. Sheer chaos.
18 comments:
Oddly enough, when I read Savage's column this morning, I almost wrote him to let him know that it was okay for him to go off on the ridiculous fucking anti-gay-marriage rulings to his heart's content. I think the readers who griped at him to stick to blow job advice should shut their whiny holes and let the man speak. He does a fantastic job, week after week, of dealing with people's kinks in a healthy, constructive manner. If he wants to use his soapbox every once in awhile to talk about something more substantive than a Cleveland Steamer, I say he should go for it.
I don't read personals columns so I'm not familiar with Savage, but he should polite, not bitter, in dealing with readers who ask for advice.
And I have a solution to this whole gay marriage controversy. When people of opposite sexes are wed, call it "marriage". When people of the sam sex do so, call it "same sex union". Offer them all the same legal rights in the eyes of the government but with a different label, it will not offend conservatively religious people of many faiths.
Savage doesn't trade in politesse, he trades in frank, honest talk, with a dash of bitch on the side.
Considering that when the column first started he preferred to be addressed as "Hey Faggot," the snark is often miscontrued as bitterness.
Not sure why anyone should ever cater to the conservatives, though I feel that way about the opposite extreme as well. fuck separate but equal.
I think the best solution actually came from Ex Machina, I dorkishly admit: Repeal state sanctioned marriage licenses, grant everyone civil union licenses. If the religionazis wanna get married in a church, let 'em...
When I read advice columns, I only read the questions and never the answers. So I would have missed all the controversy.
But I do agree the government should stay out of everyone's pants.
I certainly think that Savage can and should use his column in any way we wishes, that his rage was righteous and legitimate, and that those who bitched to him about taking space away from their favorite kinkfest are/were probably a bunch of passive-aggressive crybabies who oughtn't be getting laid in the first place.
HOWEVER . . .
It seems to me that married straight couples into what might be called deviance by minds more conservative than our own, and would write to America's most celebrated gay sex-advice columnist, are part of the solution, not part of the problem. Furthermore, Dan's good advice on the matter could go a long way toward ensuring that non-traditional practice is carried out safely and responsibly, keeping "public health" off the list of reasons for conservatives to oppose everything fun.
SO . . .
I would admonish Mr. Savage's readers to lighten up a little on their favorite columnist: we had to know he'd get back to the good ol' kink soon enough. AND I would admonish Savage to lighten up a little on the kinky breeders: they're footsoldiers in YOUR army, dude, and the troops will be happier if they know they can trust the general to steer them fearlessly in the direction of getting off.
Sh*t... I haven't read Savage's column in years. Yeah, I agree with his tirade, but he comes off as that embittered drunk woman in classic Hollywood films. "(Hic) Get out of here. All of you! (Hic)" Ahhh.... the ghost of Joan Crawford lives.
I'd never heard of him before (obviously given my geography) but after just spending an hour or so clicking and reading i have to say i think he's fabulous. and i agree with thelyamhound that he should write his column however he wishes. he is liked for his frankness and honesty. and if we wants to act joan crawford from time to time i can totally understand.
but reading his last entry i smiled. he's had his tantrum. and with booze and love he's back.
and maybe because of his honesty and his willingness to show his own pissedoffness i will read him regulary now.
thanks for the tip ;)
The man certainly has the right to say what he wishes. Free country and all that. I just have a problem with him attacking a young pregnant woman in need of help because of what a bunch of old people in black robes did.
It's his column. There's no reason he can't start one with his own personal rant about whatever he wants to rant about, whether it's rulings against same sex marriage, the war in Iraq or not enough marshmallows in rocky road ice cream.
Ranting is great and I agree with his views completely, even though I happen to be a middle-aged woman who's been married for nearly 24 years. It's not my fault that I'm straight. It's inborn! :-)
He is absolutely allowed to steer away from advice...he's a writer...he has an audience which gives him a soap box to stand on which gives him the right to fight for what he believes in...which is what a writer's job is...to express and to make change and to educate and to show opinion.
GIVEN. He may lose his following...but I believe the educated and the sympathetic will truly understand what he is doing when he writes these responses back...getting people to pay attention to more important issues than whether they can get it up the bum or what lube to use or if they can have a threesome even if they are married.
I don't know. I don't think people truly get what he's all about. His first job is education, hence advice columnist. His second job is entertainment.
Right now we need him to be that way. He has every right.
*As for the comment above about "It's not my fault that I was born straihgt"(which I'm sure was just an innocent comment made) I'm just going to have to give that comment a slap on the wrist...because if more people would stop looking in the other direction and actually take a stand like savage and start yelling at the masses that "it's not their fault that they were born gay" perhaps we wouldn't even have this situation. Comments like those just aren't needed. Innocent or not.
**AND Oh MY GOD(I'm so sorry Donny B now i'm on a rant) but to Atul's comment up above about not naming it the same thing as "straight" couples...well, honestly, all I have to say to that is screw you...as brash as that sounds I'm just tired of people trying to take the easy road out---the less confrontational...this is Equal Rights, people, not...Half-way there and Almost close enough, but let's rename it Rights. Call it what it is...but if we just keep covering things up...we might as well just add it to the rest of the list of things this country has done to it's people...Native Americans, African Americans...let's just keep pretending everything is ok...we have more important things to worry about...like whether Hayley and Hillary's new movie will make a smash in the theatre. PEOPLE STOP LOOKING AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM.
And scene.
Sorry I couldn't check in sooner, guys.
I'm of agreement with many of you that Dan can afford to take a column here and there to say what he wants. I'm just glad he's back to giving advice, because there isn't really anyone else offering to help with the kind of kinky situations he helps with.
"it will not offend conservatively religious people of many faiths"
Atul, I understand what you're saying, and I usually endorse compromise, but I have to back up the Beige One one the "separate but equal" claim. Why do we have to appease religious conservatives? "Separation of church and state" and all that mumbo-jumbo, right?
And I'm so glad I'm introducing Dan Savage to people! Finally, my blog is really providing a service to people.
Prego, that Joan Crawford reference? Brilliant.
Thelyamhound...well said.
jpdeni, yeah, I felt bad for the young girl, too.
Sereena, if you read the questions but not the answers, do you figure out your own answers? Are you practicing to one day become an advice columnist, by chance?
.25 life crisis kid...wow.
but let's take it easy on the aggresive responses to others, shall we? There's a way to passionately disagree without resorting to that, ok? Ok.
Let the discussion continue!
the thing is this: we (as a gay man, I am speaking collectively) only want the same rights, no matter what it is called...who cares if it is called Union or Marriage or whatnot...I just want to be able to walk into a hospital if my husband is sick and be able to have the rights of a family member...I want to not have to go through all of the red tape if i want to adopt a child...I want to be able to work at any company and hanf my husband on my my insurance policy (and vice versa)...
Honestly, as far as the "name"...do you really need a government or a religions stamp of approval on how you feel about another person?
I know it's a hot topic and people are going to get very upset about it...but take a step back...there is no need to blame...
Maybe I am being too ideal today...
sorry for the wonderful typos in that comment ;)
hanf=have and delete the second "my" ;)
As far as marriage vs. civil unions . . . Beige has it right on this one, I think. If the controversey is over the word, I say we avoid both a separate-but-equal situation and an arguably radical redifinition of a longstanding traditional arrangement and keep government entirely out of the marriage question; put ALL state sanctioned benefits--property rights, inheritance, visitation--under the heading of civil union for gay AND straight couples, leave questions of insurance to municipalities and/or the discretion of private businesses (my guess is that insurance companies would find a way to make a bundle on "domestic partnership clauses" anyway), and leave the question of "marriage" to churches, communities, families and sit-coms. No separate-but-equal, no redefinition of marriage, no rioting in the streets. Well, maybe a little . . . you know, for exercise.
*As for the comment above about "It's not my fault that I was born straight"(which I'm sure was just an innocent comment made) ... (rest of paragraph cut for brevity)
It was not an "innocent" comment at all, but an intentional one. I know that a person's sexual orientation is not a choice, but is something that is inborn, whether it's homsexuality or heterosexuality. That's exactly what I was saying, albeit a bit subtly.
Of course, even if sexual orientation were a choice, I would support everyone's right to marry whomever they choose. We all can choose our religions (or lack thereof) and I wouldn't support denying anyone the right to marry whomever he or she chooses based on religion either.
Regarding civil unions... They don't allow them in my state, but if they passed a law allowing them here, my husband and I have considered getting a divorce and then joining in a civil union instead of a marriage. In practical terms, it might be really expensive, but I would at least investigate it.
I've never read Dan Savage before, so I'm not sure how much my opinion will count here. I have no problem with columnists indulging in personal rants every now and again. But if they keep it up for too long, the shtick will get old and tired, and will probably alienate a lot of readers.
I think our world is seeing a suffering of status-quo happy people... and frankly I'm glad to hear someone standing up for something they believe in. Especially someone who has the ear (eye in this case) of the public. What happened to the 60's when people actually stood up for what they believed in. Shouted at our government for longer than a few minutes, telling them they aren't doing what WE want them to do? I’m as guilty as the rest of us, in this case, so that’s why I think it’s great that he’s doing what he’s doing, or did what he did. Our world is slowly falling apart and it makes me sad that I don’t feel like I can do anything about it, so kudos to him for trying.
Well said, jammyman. Well said.
That reminds me of Spider-Man: "With great power, comes great responsibility."
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